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Friday, August 18, 2006

ADHD does not exist...

ADHD (also includes ADD, ODD, and any other DD) does not exist. Now, I know I am going to get some flack with that. If anyone want's to post a comment, feel free to do so and I will post it on my blog.

Why do I believe there is no such things as ADHD? On what am I basing my opinion? As a requirement for my Bachelor's Degree I was required to take Abnormal Psych. My professor, Dr. Greg Mazak, was well qualified to teach the course. Also, he taught from a conservative, Biblical standpoint. Secondly, I have done a little bit of research on ADHD.

From
http://web4health.info/en/answers/adhd-diagn-dsm.htm, I have obtained the following information. (My comments are in parentesis and italics).

To meet the diagnostic criteria according to the DSM-IV (Diagnostic and statistical Manual of psychiatric disorders) a couple of aspects have to be considered to meet a diagnosis of adhd:

A. Six (or more) of either 1) Inattention, or 2) Hyperactivity/Impulsivity Symptoms must have
persisted for at least 6 months to a degree that is maladaptive and inconsistent with developmental level:

1) Inattention

Often fails to give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes in homework, work, or other activities (How many people actually enjoy homework, work, or other activities such as that? Face it, if it is something we do not like, we usually do not pay attention very well to it.)
Often has difficulties sustaining attention in tasks or play activities (If this is the case, how come those "diagnosed" with ADHD can sit and play video games for 8 hours straight?)
Often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly (Let me see...this happens to me all the time.)
Often does not follow through instructions and fails to finish schoolwork, chores, or duties in the workplace (not due to oppositional behavior or failure to understand instructions) (Please refer to my first comment above.)
Often has difficulties organizing tasks and activities (Called poor planning. It takes time to learn how to organize and plan correctly. If one does not practice then they will have difficulties.)
Often avoids, dislikes or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require sustained mental efforts (Called lazy. I'm guilty of this myself sometimes. We, as humans, try to avoid difficult tasks and complete easy tasks.)
Often loses things necessary for tasks or activities (e.g. toys, school assignments, pencils, books) (Ummm...called childhood...)
Is often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli (It is not all that hard to be distract-- how about them cowboys??)
Is often forgetful in daily activities (Ummm..called childhood...)

2) Hyperactivity/Impulsivity

Hyperactivity
Often fidgets with hands or feet or squirms in seat (It's called boredom.)
Often leaves seat in classroom or in other situations in which remaining seated is expected (Lack of discipline in the Public School system today.)
Often runs about or climbs excessively in situations in which it is inappropriate (in adolescents or adults, may be limited to subjective feelings of restlessness) (Lack of discipline)
Often has difficulty playing or engaging in leisure activities quietly (Ok, since when have kids been quiet?? Remember, be afraid of the quiet child.)
Is often "on the go" or often acts as if "driven by a motor" (That feels like me right now.)
Often talks excessively (Ever heard of a chatterbox??)

Impulsivity

Often blurts out answers before questions have been completed (Called not thinking things through. Isn't everybody guilty of that?)
Often has difficulty awaiting turn (Called selfishness. )
Often interrupt or intrudes on others (e.g. butts into conversations or games) (Called selfishness)

B) Some symptoms causing impairment were present before age 7. (Called lack of discipline)

C) Some impairment from the symptoms is present in two or more settings (e.g. at school and at home). (Well, yeah! If someone misbehaves, he misbehaves everywhere. If someone has a hard time with one thing, he will have a hard time with it everywhere.)

D) There must be clear evidence of clinically significant impairment in social, academic or occupational functioning. (If someone doesn't pay attention in school then it will hurt them acdemically. If someone does not do his job, than his occupational functioning will suffer.)

E) Occurrence is not exclusively during the course of a Pervasive Developmental Disorder, Schizophrenia or other Psychotic Disorder

33 Comments:

  • At 1:58 PM, August 19, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    First, I'd like to note that I believe that ADD and ADHD are both over diagnosed disorders. Many people are expecting doctors to have a pill to solve every problem, and this is one thing that doctors think they can be safe in prescribing without getting their pants sued off (basically, a fall-back diagnosis). However, just because the some doctors are careless in their assessment of a person's problem does not mean that we can just throw these disorders as being a cause of _some_ people's problems. I noticed several times in your italicized explanations for the criteria mentioned that you used the expression 'ever heard of...' Well, I'd like to make one of my own: Ever heard of throwing the baby out with the bath water? :)

    Second, how do you explain the opposite effects of ADHD medications on those not having those disorder (i.e., making them _more_ hyperactive)? There must be some reason why this takes place. I would say it's because people that benefit from these medications probably have some different brain chemistry that would be affected differently by the medications.

    Also, while I very much like Dr. Mazak as a person, his views have always been a little on the extreme side when it comes to things classified as learning disabilities (as ADD and ADHD are). Dr. Mazak has basically taken the view that these disorders are the result of Spiritual problems, and that is simply antithetical to the teaching found in Scripture.

    Finally, I think you should go out and meet some people that have been diagnosed and treated for ADD or ADHD. It might change your outlook on the subject slightly. There is one friend of mine that I grew up with that was diagnosed with ADHD. He was a fine Christian with loving, disciplining parents, but he could not control himself sometimes (some would call his behavior loud and obnoxious). But after he was treated for his disorder, the difference was like night and day.

     
  • At 2:46 PM, August 19, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I don't know whether I agree or disagree about whether it exists. I've seen more than half of those traits in myself, and when I first heard that it was a "disorder," it was very discouraging. I was hoping to outgrow them, but the idea that it was a "disorder" made me think that I'd always be this way.

    Today, though, I'm thankful for the description of ADD... it's helped me to understand my own struggles better. It's also helped me learn to be more disciplined: I know I have to work at being focused!

    It seems that a lot of so-called ADD and ADHD people are actually rather bright but haven't learned to discipline their minds and bodies to focus as they should. When they do focus, though, they can accomplish things at an amazing rate.

    So... while ADD and ADHD may not exist as true "disorders," I think it can just be a shorthand way of saying "an undisciplined person who is probably quite intelligent underneath."

     
  • At 5:57 PM, August 19, 2006 , Blogger Leon said...

    Dear Anonymous,

    I do know many people who have been diagnosed with ADD/ADHD. Some of them are my friends. Just because they have been diagnosed with it does not mean that it actually exists.

    Psychology is not an exact science. It seems like every generation there is a new Freudism and the id, or Sellars Behaviorism, etc. Each belief disproves the other. I believe presently the belief is in Chemical Imbalances (which I have been able to find an actual test to prove one is having a chemical imbalance).

    Also, it is funny that people no longer take responsibility for their actions. If their an alcoholic, it's a disease. If they don't pay attention in class, they are sick with ADHD. I know, I am fat. I, therefore, am sick. I have what is known as the Fork-in-mouth disease.

     
  • At 11:29 PM, August 19, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Same "Anonymous" here...

    With all due respect, just because you think it doesn't exist doesn't mean it doesn't (are there enough "doesn'ts" in that sentence?).

    I would like to ask if you've ever seen someone's behavior improve as a result of being treated for ADD/ADHD? If so, is it wrong of them to take the medication if it helps them overcome a God-given disability? My point in this is to know whether or not you believe that God can work through these medications to help a person that may have disorders such as these (just like he can work through an Advil tablet to take away this headache I have right now... :) ).

    Also, I didn't see a response to my first post on the opposite effects of ADHD medications on those not having the disorder. How can you reconcile this evidence with your belief that ADHD doesn't exist?

    Finally, I want to re-iterate my stance that ADHD and ADD are both widely over-diagnosed disorders. But at the same time, you can't logically use that as evidence that the disorder doesn't exist at all (which is a universal statement, I might add).

     
  • At 11:39 PM, August 19, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    It's a fairly well-known fact that Mazak teaches an outdated version of Nouthetics that even nouthetic counselors have long since abandoned as flawed. It's unfortunate that he continues to propagate those ideas among young, impressionable young men and women such as yourself who sincerely desire to learn and who are trusting him to give them sound scientific instruction coupled with astute spiritual guidance.

    Before you counsel anyone who potentially might have one of these disorders, ask yourself, "what is the potential harm to my counsellee if what I've been taught is wrong?

     
  • At 2:14 AM, August 20, 2006 , Blogger Leon said...

    Dear Anonymous,

    If you will provide me a list of the studies with their website, magazine article, or book, I will be more than happy to review the study and post a comment.

    Also, I'm sorry that you feel the way you do about Dr. Mazak's teaching style. I believe that a man with a M.Ed in psychology, as well as an M. Div. and a Ph.D. will have a little bit more knowlege on the sbject than the average layperson. Furthermore, I believe someone so grounded in the scriptures will have a better grasp on the psyches than a secular psychologist. Also, as I said in my previous response to you, psychology is not exact. It changes every year. I am predicting that in ten years, ADD/ADHD/ODD/PTSD, etc... will no longer be diagnosed.

     
  • At 2:21 AM, August 20, 2006 , Blogger Leon said...

    By the way, when I was commenting on the chemical imbalances, I meant to write that I had NOT found any tests to prove there was such thing.

    Also, to Anonymous, I am not planning on counseling anyone right now. If I do, I will use the Scripture, as well as some counseling books I have.

     
  • At 2:51 PM, August 20, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Dyslexia is a disorder that is not diagnosed with x-rays or blood tests. It involves the way that the brain processes phonological information.
    According to your criteria it is not real.

    You certainly agree that sleep apnea, narcolepsy, and insomnia are true disorders, and should be treated.

    If someone suffers sleep deprivation due to restless leg syndrome, should they not receive a diagnosis, medication or treatment, symply because the cause is elusive and the only proof of the condition is the report of the patient?

    Would you not recognize that sleep-walking is a disorder that is not diagnosed by the use of laboratory tests. The cause may be organic or psychiatric. Based on your criterior it does not exist.

    I cannot see the wind but I can feel it. I can measure and document it's affect by personal experence and the testimony of others who have experienced it. Technology continues to develop from the days of sailing ships to the wind powered electrical stations.

    In 2006 we still know very little about the human brain and how it works. Medicine is NOT an exact science. Fever of Unknown Origin does not cease to exist simply because you do not know what causes it.

    There is much that we still do not know. Your judgment appears to be very narrow.

    A wise man would have a teachable spirit and be willing to reserve judgment on matters that are not his special area of study and eager to adjust his opinion as science and medicine continues to advance.

    A foolish man is one who will not welcome new information and embrace any enlighenment it provides.

    You must never compromise on ethical questions. This is not an ethical issue it is an educational issue.

     
  • At 8:07 PM, August 20, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    First "Anonymous" here again (the one specifically dealing with Dr. Mazak was not me :) )...

    I did a little searching and found several sites noting the fact that while Ritalin has a 'calming' and 'focusing' effect on children with ADHD, it has exactly the opposite effect on those not having the disorder (i.e., causing them to be hyperactive).

    http://healthresources.caremark.com/topic/ritalinabuse
    https://www.healthforums.com/library/1,1258,article~10267,00.html
    http://www.druglibrary.org/articles/ritalin.html

    I've heard Dr. Mazak speak on these subjects, and he many times uses the argument that since we cannot find any physiological changes in those diagnosed with ADHD, then we can't be certain it actually exists. However, we can also see that there are physiological differences in those having ADHD. Brain scans (several types, in fact) have shown dramatic differences between those having and those not having ADHD:

    http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/39/1/26
    http://www.webmd.com/content/article/78/95657.htm
    http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view.php3?type=article&article_id=218392460

    The information linked to about (especially the first link showing the brain scan) is empirical evidence of ADHD being a real, physical problem in the brain. Because of certain circumstances in my life, I have had the opportunity to meet lots of people with these types of disorders, and in my mind this evidence only solidifies my belief that ADHD is as real of a disorder as mental retardation.

     
  • At 12:20 AM, August 21, 2006 , Blogger Leon said...

    I am NOT dealing with physical problems such as sleep apnea, narcolepsy, or insomnia. I AM dealing with the no-such-thing, "mental illness." I regard ADHD/ADD/ODD, etc...as a copout for one's personal responsibility.

    I regard RLS as I do fibromyalgia.

    Now, I have been wrong once or twice in my life, BUT, my opinion is my own. You are welcome to your own opinion, however wrong it may be.

    Also, according to Mirriam Webster, phonological comes from phonology.

    1 : the science of speech sounds including especially the history and theory of sound changes in a language or in two or more related languages
    2 : the phonetics and phonemics of a language at a particular time.

     
  • At 12:31 AM, August 21, 2006 , Blogger Leon said...

    Dear Anonymous...or...Anonymous (it's so hard to keep you all straight)

    Right now I am studying for class, but when I can I will review those studies and post a comment on them.

    Mmmm...I love studying...especially on the "Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act of 1938." In fact, the only thing I love studying more is the "Harrison Narcotic Act of 1914" or the "Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act" of 1970. Exciting...

     
  • At 10:30 AM, August 21, 2006 , Blogger Bobby Wales said...

    Leon, this is a very stimulating conversation. I'm impressed that you put your foot so firmly in the middle of a hornet's nest. : )

    Here is my two cents. Just remember that you get what you pay for. If you want better, I charge more than two cents.

    1. Our society as a whole has abandoned the idea of personal responsibility. We are no longer responsible for our actions. Nothing is our fault. If we can't find a person to blame it on, we create a disorder to blame it on. We are not sinful; we are sick. It is not our fault, it is our parents. As you said, don't allow people to dodge their responsibility for their own actions.

    2. At the same time, you cannot be dogmatic where God is not dogmatic. We are not talking about the inspiration of the Bible or the resurrection of Christ, we are talking about the least understood organ in the body and the way each person's brain reacts and matures differently in life. How does one child in a family become a scholar and another can't focus on their studies? They were raised by the same parents, went to the same school and had the same teachers. How come one is a MD and one is being prescribed Strattera by an MD.

    Remember the things that we (Christians) "knew" were wrong based on the culture in our particular time. In the 1950s Christians believed that it was wrong for women to wear pants and that interracial dating was 100% wrong; we have backtracked significantly from those positions. We allowed our interpretation of the Bible to be influenced by the popular opinion in the world at our time. Are we doing that now with ADHD? God's Word did not change, but we did stop interpreting it so much by our preconceived ideas given to us by our "ain't-never-done-it-that-way-before" predecessors. This is where Mazak goes wrong.

    3. We do not possess a test for so-called chemical imbalances in the brain, but maybe there are imbalances that we cannot test for quite yet. Maybe in 10-15 years we will be running CSF tests for ADHD. We don't know what the future holds, so who wants to hold an abolute, opinion on something we know so little about.

    4. Are doctors right in prescribing so much Ritalin. Absolutely not. But their job is to fix the problem. If mom and dad haven't forced the child to learn self discipline by the time the child is 8, will a doctor's lecture on teaching him self discipline change anything? I doubt it. A doctor that sees a child once a year is presented with a dilemna, patch the problem now so the child doesn't fall further behind in school and hope that he becomes more disciplined in the future or just tell the parents to be more strict (which probably won't happen). What would you do?

    I agree that ADHD is grossly overdiagnosed. However, no matter which position I take, I would be careful stating my position so emphatically that I will feel foolish in a few years if scientific discoveries make ADHD a legitimate "sickness."

     
  • At 11:43 PM, August 21, 2006 , Blogger Leon said...

    I count four cents...so I owe you...

     
  • At 1:27 AM, August 22, 2006 , Blogger Leon said...

    Dear Anonymous (I think)

    I have reviewed all of the links that you left and the first three all go to prove my point that ADHD/ADD drugs are harmful. The main anti-ADHD/ADD drug is Methylphenidate. Although it is chemically different than amphetamines, it's pharmacologic mechanism of action is similar. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to give my kid a medication that is a kissing cousin to meth.

    The second three sites I visited did not prove the existence of ADD/ADHD. I quote Manzar Ashtari, professor of radiology and psychiatry at North Shore-Long Island Jewish Health System, in the article at http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view.php3?type=article&article_id=218392460 "This study does not help to diagnose a kid."

    As for the other two articles about the brain scans, neither of them state that they have been able to "prove" there is such thing as ADD/ADHD.

    By the way, did I mention that ADD/ADHD was voted into existence for the DSM?

    Here are some sites for you to read.

    http://www.epinions.com/content_4731674756
    http://wireduck.com/pages/tomcruise-editorial.html
    http://www.informedparent.com/articles/template.php?article=1.a.d.d

    I'm sorry, but I still stand by my previous statement.

     
  • At 4:20 PM, August 22, 2006 , Blogger Trying2BMe said...

    Based on your statements, I'd have to agree. Plus, I think that it's easier to label a child, give them a pill or ship them off for therapy than be a parent and really try to motivate, teach and entertain your child. Too many kids are being "padded" through school because of this "diagnosis" and when they leave that safe haven, they can't function in the outside world. So, it turns to more problems, more labels and more addictions and blame for others to deal with.

    JUST MY OPINION :)

     
  • At 5:56 PM, August 23, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Anonymous here again...

    I'd like to quote more of what the doctor said that you quoted in your previous post, Leon:

    "our hope is to be able one day to have the tools to put the kids in the MRI and diagnose them. That is our goal, but we're not there yet."

    I think that part of the quote shows the first part, that you posted, a little more correctly, as far as context is concerned. Basically she's saying that that particular study cannot be used to diagnose people with ADHD. The key word in that whole quote (of which you quoted very little) is "yet."

    Also, I never said that those articles would 'prove' the existence of ADHD. I said that they are evidence of ADHD. There is a big difference there. But, I'm left here wondering: if you're not willing to accept this type of evidence as viable (which you don't seem to, if I'm reading you correctly), what kind of evidence will you accept?

    Also, I am quite enjoying this little discussion. Keep it comming :)

     
  • At 11:51 PM, August 23, 2006 , Blogger Leon said...

    Anonymous,

    I did not include the word "yet" in my comment, because they will not be able to diagnose it, because "it" does not exist.

     
  • At 9:33 PM, August 27, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    So, what you're saying is that ADHD doesn't exist because there's no physical evidence to back it up, and the physical evidence that I've linked to (not proof, but evidence, mind you) is invalid because ADHD doesn't exist. I'm sorry, don't you see the circular reasoning there?

    I ask again, is there any evidence that would change your mind, or are you un-convincable?

     
  • At 11:52 PM, August 28, 2006 , Blogger Leon said...

    I'm sorry, but I have not seen any physical evidence in the "proof" that you gave me to support your claim. I've only seen evidence that strengthens mine. Also, I am not using circular reasoning.

     
  • At 9:53 PM, August 30, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    hey, leon, nice to see you are still doing well, haven't seen you in a long time.

    About ADHD/mental illnesses, I and my wife Joanna have both chosen to believe that "mental illness" is a scapegoat for personal irresponsibility and sinful behavior.

    I had a classmate in high school that was labelled ADHD and took Ritalin regularly. I really don't believe it did any good. He was just a BRAT. He was just plain defiant in the face of all authority.

    Right now, Joanna teaches 8th grade. She has concluded that roughly 85% of the students in all her classes combined have previously, or are currently taking medication for any given mental or behavioral diagnosis.

    I agree that each individual is different, hence individual. Each personality is unique. Every person chooses for himself his actions, good or bad. However, bad actions don't demand sedation, but discipline, whether from parents and other authority figures, or self-discipline.

    We have a nephew who is labelled autistic and ADHD, and is medicated when he goes to school, I think he is in 1st grade this year. However, he can sit and watch his movies for hours on end. (Like the video games) I really have a hard time believing he has an attention span issue.

    Yes, these are only personal examples, and completely unscientific, but I have many more, and they all lead me to the same conclusions. Call me judgemental if you wish.

    One question for anyone to answer. . .What about clinical depression? Sin, bitterness, remorse without resolution, or chemical imbalance?

     
  • At 11:48 PM, August 30, 2006 , Blogger Leon said...

    Is this the Joe, as in old-roommate-Joe?

    My stance on depression is there should never be a depressed Christian, and there are no such things as chemical imbalance.

     
  • At 6:08 PM, August 31, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    This is Joe, as in worked-with-you-for-one-semester-on-Public-Safety-Joe. I hung out with Bobby Wales a lot. Got your link on his blog. I live in Easley now. Get my number from Bobby, I am not putting it out for the whole world here. It would be great to see you sometime.

     
  • At 9:29 PM, August 31, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Leon, were you planning on approving the comment that I posted last night? It obviously wasn't spam, and it wasn't meant to be spiteful or hateful in any way.

    On the topic of the existance of chemical imbalances: Can you agree that there are drugs that a person can take that would alter the balance of chemicals in a person? If so (and I would think it's pretty obvious that the answer is 'yes'), then why is it hard to believe that there could be a physical problem with someone's brain that would cause it to not naturally balance it's chemical make-up properly?

     
  • At 6:01 AM, September 01, 2006 , Blogger Leon said...

    Ohhh...that Joe...why don't you want everyone to know your number?? That reminds me...I need to double check to make sure my number isn't listed anywhere around here. I get plenty of "wrong" numbers.

     
  • At 6:03 AM, September 01, 2006 , Blogger Leon said...

    Anonymous,

    There must have been something wrong with Blogger but I did not receive any other post.

    My problem with "chemical imbalances" is that there is, again, no test to prove such things exist. It is just another cop-out so people do not have to be held personally responsible for their actions.

     
  • At 10:07 PM, September 01, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Here's a copy of my previous comment that got lost somewhere (rescued from my Browser cache):

    Let's review the difference between evidence and proof:

    Evidence is information that strengthens a particular theory. For example, in a murder trial, a suspect's fingerprint on the murder weapon would be what we call "evidence."

    Proof, on the other hand, goes a step beyond that by providing the evidence necessary to establish some theory as truth. For example, in a murder trial, a suspect being seen on a security camera killing someone would be what we call "proof."

    Now, let's take that information into the current topic of discussion. At least one of the links that I gave above shows brain scans of two people: one diagnosed with ADHD, and one not diagnosed with ADHD. The difference between the two images is striking. And the difference is not unique to just this study, as there have been other studies done with the same result. Just to be clear, brain scans show _physical_, measurable properties.

    Once more, that is physical evidence of ADHD (again, it supports a theory, but it does NOT PROVE IT).

    I'd also like to ask, for the third time, what kind of evidence will you accept, if you won't accept this?

     
  • At 11:35 PM, September 01, 2006 , Blogger Leon said...

    Enough evidence against a suspect will prove that the suspect committed the crime. You have not given me enough evidence to prove the theory that ADHD exists.

     
  • At 11:41 PM, September 04, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    My point in this discussion is not to prove to you that ADHD exists (_proving_ existence or non-existence would be next to impossible). Rather, I'm trying to show you that viable evidence exists that suggests that it _may_ exist.

    Would you be willing to go at least that far, and say that it _may_ exist?

    I would also like to point out that just because an educated, Christian, conservative (like Dr. Mazak) teaches his viewpoint, doesn't necessarily mean that it is a Bible-truth position. My main point here is that you could easily find someone just as educated, just as conservative, just as Christian (as in born-again) that could argue just the opposite.

    That last point can be boiled down to two statements made by Bobby Wales in a previous comment: "You cannot be dogmatic where God is not dogmatic" and "Who wants to hold an abolute, opinion on something we know so little about[?]"

     
  • At 9:22 AM, September 07, 2006 , Blogger Leon said...

    Anonymous,

    Looks to me like you're the one being dogmatic, since you think I am wrong for having my own, personal opinion.

    Remember, I did not force you to read this blog or post on this blog.

    Also, could you introduce me to some Christian (non)conservative (I mean, if they do not believe in nouthetics they cannot be very conservative) psychologists that believe in ADHD/ADD. I mean, I can introduce you to a conservative, Christian psychologist if you would like.

     
  • At 12:52 AM, September 10, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Well, keep in mind that I said "just as educated", not that he would be a psychologist necessarily. And since you asked for a name specifically, I would suggest you talk to Dr. Joe Sutton (Chairman of the Division of Special Education at BJU). In fact, I talked with Dr. Sutton about this issue just last week, and he said that he has a very compelling video that he would recommend to anyone that is really concerned about this issue (and of course, would have an open mind). I encourage you to go talk with him, if you're really interested. :)

     
  • At 3:57 AM, September 10, 2006 , Blogger Leon said...

    What was Dr. Sutton's undergrad, grad, doctorate on?

    Also, some Christian's can be misguided (read into that however you want).

    And to tell you the truth...I am not interested...mainly because I do not have time between work and school (I no longer attend BJU so can not visit him at his office during my free time).

     
  • At 10:00 PM, September 12, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Dr. Sutton's Ph.D. is in Special Education, a field that specializes (no pun intended) in learning disabilities, such as ADHD.

    About Christians being misguided, that's a two-way street ;)

     
  • At 10:57 AM, September 13, 2006 , Blogger Leon said...

    How punny!!! :-)

    Like I said, read into that however you want...obviously you took me literally...

     

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